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Cycling calories and/or macronutrients

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6:06 pm
June 12, 2010


gregsfc

Rickman, Tennessee

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This is a question that would apply to intermediate, lean lifters only:

Darrin wrote a piece about fasting as a means to achieve a calorie deficit for weight loss as a worthy alternative to continually running a colorie deficit.

For those of us running a slight calorie surplus, does anyone recommend cycling calories, or even cycling certain macronutrients to help trick our bodies into hypertrophy?  I've read on this years ago (can't remember the source) and can't even remember the details, but it seems like the main focus was on protein.  Do our bodies get used to these high levels of protein (six times per day, every day) and figure out ways to circumvent what we're trying to do, which would minimize the effect of our efforts? 

It seems like my body tries it's best to remain the same.  If I workout hard and eat good, I'll get some immediate results, but then I stall.  If I quit working out, it also takes a long time for a change in my strength and body composition. 

Just like, if I quit training for a week every now and then, start back, and then get a sudden jolt in progress; can manipulating nutrition work the same way?

If no one knows the answer, does anyone know a source to read about such a topic.

11:10 pm
June 13, 2010


Cameron

Greensboro, NC

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posts 250

The fasting thing, I am assuming, (As off the top of my head I don't remember the article) is about energy intake (food in) vs. energy output. (working out)  Basically it is a LOT easier to keep the calories from going in than it is to get them off.  About the tricking your body thing, I honestly don't know.  I am going to say that you may need to change your routines more.  That's what periodization is for.  However, you said you read on it years ago.  The information would definitely be nice to know, however it may not be applicable anymore also, due to the advancement in our knowledge of the body.  But, I guess theoretically it would be possible that your body adapts.  Unfortunately, our bodies are a lot smarter than any of us, hence the reason perodization is neccisary.  For example, after doing a LOT of cardio, on a machine in this instance, your body gets used to it.  If you change the type of cardio, you get an increase in difficulty and a higher EPOC (Excess Post-exercise Oxygen Consumption).  basically EPOc is when you work out REALLY hard with something new and your body can't seem to cool off, you burn extra calories outside of the workout.  Ideally you want this everyday.

7:03 am
June 14, 2010


Darrin

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I am a huge fan of calorie cycling and macronutrient cycling.  But be forwarned – the actual science supporting it is thin (there is some eveidence, just not very strong – more anecdotal).

Tom Venuto does a great job talking about it in Burn The Fat, Feed The Muscle and I wrote about it here:  http://worldfitnessnetwork.com…..same-time/ .

In terms of cycling macronutrients, what I have mostly heard of (and tried) is cycling carbs. Generally startchy carbs are best around your workouts and less on off days.  Also more carbs for hypertrophy and less carbs for fat loss (generally) but that's not nutrient cycling.

7:26 am
June 15, 2010


gregsfc

Rickman, Tennessee

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posts 145

Thanks for the input and the link.

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