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3:15 pm July 3, 2010
| gregsfc
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I did a pretty tough routine yesterday, but it wasn't heavy weight. I felt nothing out of the ordinary, and I felt good about my form, but this morning I woke up with my left, extreme, upper leg aching in the front. I had to walk with a limp. Then the pain moved towards my groin area and got worse. Later, riding in a car, it moved to the outer, extreme upper leg and it began hurting even when I relaxed it.
It's a few hours later now, and it seems to be getting better, but I still have a limp. I don't even know what muscle I've pulled or if it's actually the hip joint itself. Thirteen years ago I pulled the groin area pretty bad picking up something too heavy at work, but I've never had a pull that moved around on me like this one.
I've got this belief that, for some reason, my body is postured where most of the strain is put on the front of my legs in any lower body work, even deadlifts, and I have problems trying to stimulate my glutes and leg biceps where my real strength should be. This injury, and the fact that the front of my legs, especially at the top, are much more developed than the back, help support this theory.
I need to find some exercises to fix this imbalance, but I can't find anything to isolate my back side. I thought deadlifts would help over squats, but I think it's only putting even more strain on my quads, hip flexers, and what ever else is in the front and insides of my legs to move weight.
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5:16 pm July 3, 2010
| Darrin
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Hmm. You mean the point of pain has been moving around for several hours? I'm not familiar witih that type of symptom. Has stretching helped?
In terms of imbalance, two moves I love for hams and glutes:
- RDLs
- TRX leg curls
If you really want to be humbled, try doing glute-ham raises with proper form. I have to admit, I can't do more than a couple reps and then have to start cheating.
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9:01 pm July 3, 2010
| gregsfc
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It's evening now and the pain has quit moving, but it did seem to move around for a few hours (maybe what they call reflective pain). It's staying mostly in the center front of my extreme upper left leg and radiating inward towards my inner/upper leg. Sitting in a dining chair or office chair with my lower and upper leg perpendicular seems to be the most comfortable.
Last time I got this, it was something stupid. I picked up the heavy end of a forklift attachment for moving carpet and attached it onto the forklift by myself (kind of a max sumo deadlift with no warmup). It was a two-man lift. Since I kept my back straight, most of the strain was on the groin area. I didn't feel the pain till that night.
This time, I did three sets of 10-rep, dumbell deadlifts in good form, and didn't feel the pull till the next day. Other than this injury, I'm not even sore from the workout.
I think I just overworked this area with too many reps, or maybe I unknowingly shifted to put more weight to my stronger side some time in the routine. I really already know this, but deadlifts usually work best with lower reps, because it's so hard to maintain form when I start getting winded. I just liked the form I can maintain with the dumbells; It was the heaviest in the gym; and I wanted to do enough reps to be instense. Of course, I could have done sets of 8 with less rest period, but it's too late to stop an injury now.
There is also the possibility that my toe stance on my left foot did not line up with my knee and upper leg, and therefore put a strain on my upper leg when I came to the full upright position and pulled my hips forward.
Of course it may not have been deadlifts, but it's the only thing I did strenuous in the last two days.
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1:53 am July 4, 2010
| Cameron
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Some good Glute/hammy exercises:
obviously squats, deadlifts, and variations thereof
bridges (single leg as well)
swiss ball curls would work well
any time of quadroped exercise
bear crawls (really any type of crawl)
inch worms are fun… really hits the calves hard too if done with a single leg, one of my favorites
A variation of alternating arm dumbell bent over rows, if done right….. I can explain these in detail a later if you would like…
If you have access to a Jacob's ladder, it might help as well…. it's a monster…
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4:16 pm July 7, 2010
| Cameron
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So yea… strained my right pec yesterday evening helping a client…. was fun….
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8:13 pm July 8, 2010
| gregsfc
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So Cameron. How is the pec today? Sometimes these things aren't as bad as they first appear.
My groin/hip area injury has been strange.
I was nearly crippled Sat., Sun, and Monday (July 2-5) most of the time, but at times it was almost gone for a few hours. I went to work Monday; I was feeling pretty good when I got up. I was working alone since it was our observed holiday and my holiday to work. After being there just a few hours, I was really struggling getting in and out of a vehicle; I had to nearly drag my right foot when walking, especially up hill, because it hurt to pick my right foot off the ground.
It seems as though, if I stood for a long time, it was hard to sit; and, if I sat for a long time, it was hard to stand. The pain was usually in my extreme upper, center, front part of my leg, but above my quads (one might call that the hip area); but when I tried to spread my legs apart (like getting in a pickup or car) it hurt in my groin area.
I woke up Tuesday morning and have felt no pain since. I can feel a little stiffness if I do a groin stretch, but that's it.
My boss suggested that maybe I had pulled or inflammed a muscle or tendon and it was pinching a nerve.
Sounds better than anything I can think of.
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9:38 pm July 8, 2010
| Cameron
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Naw, it's not, it's more of a minor strain, but it's a pain in the ass since i have to demonstrate exercises all day long.
Is it your groin or your hip flexor. Seems more flexor (more prone to injury anyways) if you cant pick up your leg well. Recovery is tough with them though.
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9:02 am July 10, 2010
| gregsfc
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That's why I keep inquiring. I'm not sure what my injury is, but it's gone away for now. I'm just not sure how to protect it from reinjury.
My first guess is the hip flexor. At the height of the pain, I couldn't stand to flex my leg to see exactly where the pain was coming from. I can tell now that tightness exists at the center/front, above my quad and just below and to the inside of the pointy part of the upper hip joint. But I'm not exactly sure where the hip flexor lies. I looked on an anatomy chart but didn't really find a muscle or tendon that match the area where I hurt.
During the instense pain, however, it also hurt in my groin area if I tried to spread my legs apart. But the last time I had a groin pull; all the pain was to the inside; it was even more painful to move; and it didn't last nearly as long as this injury.
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11:40 pm July 11, 2010
| Cameron
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ROFL… yea it blows greg. That IS your your abductor(s). I actually hurt mine about 7 years ago in high school. It's a bitch to stretch them, so it's tough. If I stretch my hamstring the right direction it cramps occasionally. I can't even do a seated leg curl because the direction of tension instantly causes a cramp in my left hip (same area). It's gotten better but it hurt for about 2-3 days originally. Then it just got irritated from time to time. Now it rarely bothers me, but I've really gotten used to my limitations in such a way where it doesn't bother me much. I've discovered a way on my own to stretch it, but it's hard to explain, I'll go into detail about it later if you would like. But, you'll be fine. Just go easy on it for a couple weeks.
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11:50 pm July 11, 2010
| Cameron
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btw, forgot to add. There isn't a muscle called a "hip flexor", "hip adductor", etc. It refers to the motion the muscles are doing and designates a group of muscles. Bet you didn't know they flex your hip ;).
Few science facts:
1.) Flex- A contraction of a muscle causing a decrease in the angle of a joint.
2.) Extend- A contraction of a muscle causing an increase in the angle of a joint.
As a side note, a joint can be both flexing and extending technically, but it depends on the muscle you are talkign about. Generally, the standard is based upon the anatomical posture. (From the front) This way everyone has a base reference point to avoid confusion.
3.) Bones are a bitch to learn. All the snobby scientists named them after themselves for no particular reason. Muscles on the other hand are easy. This may help you find a muscle without ever hearing of it before. EVERY MUSCLE IN YOUR BODY IS NAMED FOR ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING: Size, shape, location, or function. For example, Your Latisimus Dorsi runs laterally (latin for "away from the midline," midline meaning your spine) and on your back (Dorsal side). Your rhomboids are shaped like a rhomoid(Go figure). And your Gluteus minimus, medius, and maximus are all based on size.
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10:05 am July 14, 2010
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hope you guys are recovered. injury stuff is almost mysticism to me. sometimes injuries seem to appear for no reason (though, there is ALWAYS a reason) and then disappear just as mysteriously.
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7:06 pm July 14, 2010
| Cameron
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I'm almost better. However, I've been inn a funk for the past couple days mentally. I've been pretty apathetic and although I work out less than most people, because I'm just doing maintainence, I feel like a fatty for missing most of my workouts. Yea, the week off is good from time to time, but when you are in charge of other people's workouts in a gym all day you can't help but feel lazy when you aren't working out… :(
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10:56 am July 15, 2010
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I can't imagine you being a fatty, but I'm all-too-familiar with the mental crash that comes with reducing workout frequency or intensity. You certainly aren't lazy though! I'm sure your mental side will pick up in a few days.
I'm going to take the next 4 weeks and focus on leaning out, shooting for 8% bf, then do some maintenance, and then try to add 5 more pounds of muscle by the end of the year. But I've got to avoid injuries.
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9:10 pm July 15, 2010
| Cameron
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Umm. Thanks, I guess. Today went ok, but ddin't really do much on chest outside of stabilization.
dynamic stretches
3x6 (each leg) @ 135 lbs. Single leg back squats… after about the 3rd one with good form my chin felt like it was going to explode.
3x6 : military about 115 lbs., give or take depending on how it felt.
3x8: DB lat raise with an external rotation on my hands… these things are monsters. It's basically like pouring a pitcher of water that weighs 20 lbs.
3x15: SL plyo calf extensions
3x10 push-ups just to see how it felt. Didn't bother me too much, felt it a little bit later, but not horrible or anything…..
a couple intrests
Some cardio
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11:51 pm July 15, 2010
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question on your pec injury – any stress when deadlifting? I know deads don't draw heavily on the pec but the finish position does put some indirect load, and with the poundage used for deads I was just wondering if it causes any pain
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8:06 am July 16, 2010
| Cameron
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5:27 pm July 17, 2010
| gregsfc
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I'm still tentative of both–so called–hip flexors, but I'm still lifting. I felt the right one pulling just a little after the workout today, but I felt more in the right glute.
The left hip was the one with the mysterious injury that suddenly went away. I did leg presses; lunges; front squats; and straight-leg deadlifts.
I quit doing back squats for a while. I had been doing them faithfully four about four months straight. I started out with just the bar with only a couple of sets at fifteen reps each. I added twenty pounds per week until I got to the point where I couldn't do any more weight at twelve reps (about 160). I then went to more of a mass or power routine, with more weight, more sets, but only about 5-8 reps. I've never been able to really move up in weight with squats. My plan was to start real light with higher reps and maybe this would be something to blast past 200 lbs. With squats, if I can do one correctly, I can do five.
Also, I've quit bringing my hips forward on front squats and on deadlifts at the end of the movement. I'm hoping this will take some stress off my abductors. I've noticed the last few months that my toes have moved outward in my natural stance and walk. I think I may need to correct this by strengthening my adductor muscles. My book has a couple of exercises for that.
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9:26 pm July 17, 2010
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Greg – have you tried good old foam rolling? Worked wonders for my hip flexors back when I started trying to really improve my squatting.
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10:04 am July 18, 2010
| Cameron
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Try doing some HEAVY seated ham curls and leet me know if your left hip cramps up….
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10:14 pm August 3, 2010
| Cameron
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So apparently, I ended up hurting my shoulder when I pulled my chest. Think I seperated my AC joint in my right shoulder. I did it to my left shoulder in highschool and the pain is similar, just not quite as bad.
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