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3 Months program and running / Romanian Deadlift vs Deadlift

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2:09 pm
May 26, 2010


Rob_S

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This newb needs some advice.  I just started the 3 Months to a New You program and I am totally psyched.  I have been in and out of shape all of my life, never visibly obese, but clinically so based on body fat.  Now I'm on my way back from the Dark Side.

My plan involves weights and cardio (running) but I have a conundrum.  As I understand it both days of the 3 months program are leg days, is that right?  The Dead Lifts work the legs.  Now if I shouldn't run the day after a leg day, and I am lifting 3 days a week and running 4…  see the problem?

My goal is be in great shape so that I am healthier, feel better and can keep up with my kids.  I want to look better, but I am not hardcore about being ripped.  I see the lifting as a means to this end.  I know I need lean muscle to burn fat and that running alone won't cut it.

 

Also, what's the difference between a Romanian and regular Deadlift?

 

Thanks!

 

Rob_S

9:06 pm
May 26, 2010


Darrin

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posts 310

Hey Rob – welcome!  I'll take a stab, but hope others chime in too.

First off, recovery time is always important,  but it's more important as you get more specialized.  For general conditioning, you don't need to worry so much.  Just focus on good habits to start with.  The free 3 Months To A New You is for conditioning, not really designed for hypertrophy – muscle growth.  As a beginner, you will see muscle growth for sure, but as you get more advanced you'll need to worry more about recovery time if your goal is to gain muscle size or strength.

I'm guessing right now your primary goal is to get rid of some fat, right?  If that's the case, I'd suggest running on the same days as the lifting.   At your level, it won't really matter if it's before or after.

If you really want to run on different days, then I'd suggest a different 7-day sequence:

Run, Lift, Off, Run, Lift, Off, Off

or do a 6-day cycle of Run, Lift, Off, Run, Lift, Off, Run, Lift, Off, Run, etc…

Right now, the most important thing is that you stick to a routine – almost any routine will be fine.  After 3 to 6 months, you will need to change things to keep progressing.

As far as deads vs. RDLs, here are two resources showing them:

Deadlifts
http://worldfitnessnetwork.com…..good-form/

Romanian
Deadlifts –http://worldfitnessnetwork.com…..exercises/

Hope this helps!

1:28 am
May 27, 2010


Cameron

Greensboro, NC

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posts 250

Hmm…. This one sounds fun…

Darrin hit the nail on the head for the most part.  But, i'll add a few things that seem to help people I know.  As for the before or after cardio question:  "Whichever you like most, do last." is my answer.  For me, if I lift first I WILL NOT do cardio.  I hate it.  Now if you were to say to me that your time in the gym is tight one day, do cardio right after your lifting, it won't take as long as you are already worn down.

 

I'd do cardio on the same days you are already working out.  As Darrin put it, just get in a habit.  That doesn't mean go 5-6-7 days a week to the gym.  That will burn you out.  And doing cardio at the same time will help later on when you DO have to worry about recovery time, but that's not for 6 or 7 months probably at least.  Besides, with a total body workout plan you have no need really to go to the gym more than 3 days a week in all honesty, especially with the weather this time of year.

 

And lastly, Darrin posted links to what the variations look like, but here's more of a functional description.

 

A deadlift is a basic strength exercise.  There are explanations everywhere.

 

A true romanian deadlift will start at with the bar at the top, as oppossed to the ground where a normal deadlift starts.  Usually, the lifter would stand on a slightly elevated surface with their heels together, and kneees straight with their toes slightly out.  I's say about a 90 degree ankle is a good ballpark without actually standing up and doing one.  In a romanian deadlift the bar is lowered slowly, keeping the knees straight (but NOT locked out).  This is where the elevated surface comes in, usually the lifter's flexibility allows them to lower the weight past normal ground level.  The pull on the hamstrings is the major focus of this lift.  That being said, it is a common exercise for sprinters, as it highly develops speed.  So, naturally athlete's love it.  However, the stretching of the muscles also plays an important physiological role to your body as well.  Long story short, Deadlifts target more of the front of the leg and glutes, while romanian deadlifts target the back of the leg and hip flexors.  So basically it's the exact opposite movement.

7:01 am
May 27, 2010


Darrin

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RDLs on a raised platform – those are great.  But, make sure you have learned the basic movement (to the ground) first.  Then get the poundage up a bit.  And only then would I recommend the raised platform – I see too many people try the raised platform, and they don't yet have the movement down or the flexibility, and then they start rounding their back in the "sub-ground" range of motion.  Bad.  Back needs to stay basically flat (slightly arched at the top of the movement, flat at the bottom).

So master the basic movement before going to the raised platform.  Once you do progress to the raised platform though, you will love it!  Your hamstrings will scream!

8:37 am
May 27, 2010


Rob_S

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Thanks guys, very helpful stuff here.

I think I am simply over-thinking this at the stage I am in.  Darin is correct in that I am mainly focused on losing fat and re-conditioning in general.  

My 'Running' program is the 10-week Runner's World 4 day/wk beginner program building up to running 30-min straight.  It is tough on beginner legs like mine, but probably not nearly as bad as hardcore training like sprints and intervals.  I pay more attention to Heart Rate than pace at this point.

To be perfectly honest I'd rather run than lift, though I certainly don't hate lifting and I would definitely love to be more defined than I am now.  I go to the gym during my lunch hour with co-workers so they help motivate me.  I run at night or in the AM depending.

I will adjust my plan to run on the days that I lift so:

Run/Lift–off–Run/Lift–off–Run/Lift–Run–off

I tried looking at videos and write-ups on the two deadlifts and could not figure out the difference, but Cameron's description definitely helps to clear this up.  I think it will be a little while before I am ready for the raised platform, but I'll get there!

Thanks again guys.  I am really enjoying the site!Cool

8:52 am
May 27, 2010


Darrin

Admin

posts 310

Your plan sounds great!

12:11 pm
May 27, 2010


Cameron

Greensboro, NC

Member

posts 250

Indeed, that 7 day plan seems a lot more functional and realistic.  Good job.

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